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If anyone interested how to do it:)

Detailed description of "True Stereo Side-Chaining" with

Crunchessor in Cubase SX2

(tested with Crunchessor1.6 and SX2.2.039):

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The following example will use a kick drum track to duck/compress a bass line track:

1) Create a Quadro group (L,R,LS,RS).

2) Route the bass track to the Quadro group.

a) Open the SurroundPan window in the bass track by double-click on the pan-view in the mixer.

b) Here you must set the Mode Mo./St to Y-Mirror (By default it is set to Mono-Mix).

c) Set the grey panning balls in the SurroundPan window to 100% left and right

and pan it to L/R.  This means the L-ball sits at top-left, the R-ball sits

at top-right in the SurroundPan view.

3) Route a send-slot of the kick track to the Quadro group.

(Of course you can route the kick track directly to the Quadro group,

but you won't hear the kick drum at the stereo output bus in this case)

a) Set Pre-Fader switch to ON (the "at" symbol).

(It is necessary to retain the control over the volume slider for the kick track)

b) Set the Send-Amount slider to 0 (CTRL left click on the slider).

c) Change the view of the send-slot to "Routing" (little window above the send slots).

d) Open the SurroundPan window by double-click the (now visible) pan-view in the send slot.

e) Do the same as in 2b)

f) Set the grey panning balls in the SurroundPan window to 100% left and right

and pan it to LS/RS.  This means the L-ball sits at bottom-left, the R-ball sits

at bottom-right in the SurroundPan view.

4) Insert crunchessor in an insert-slot of the Quadro group

Start with the preset "Club is pumping" (or pull the Drive-knob to maximum)

in Crunchessor to see/hear the effect.

Choose a Side-Chain channel in crunchessor (in this case "SC: 3+4").

Leave the Crunchessor window open to see the effect via the gain reduction meter:

When the kick drum sets in, the bass track will be ducked/compressed according to the

compressor settings applied to the plug-in.

You can do this the same way with 2 mono tracks, although I think you could leave

the Mode Mo./St in the SurroundPan views to "Mono-Mix".  Experiment a bit !

Addition: There's also another "quick" way to do side-chaining with Quadro Output-Bus instead of Quadro-Group:

1) Define a new Quadro Output-Bus and there 2 child/sub-busses ("Stereo" and "Stereo (Rs Ls)").

2) Route Bass track to "Stereo" and Kick track to "Stereo (Rs Ls)".

3) Insert Crunchessor in the Quadro bus.

You don't have to fiddle with Pan-Settings with this method but has its disadvantage in SX2

that you don't have further routing possibilities with the Quadro bus.

In SX3 you can define child/sub-busses also for groups (problem solved here).

Happy Side-Chaining !

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P4 2.8Ghz HT,WinXP SP2,2GB RAM,MatroxMilleniumG550,RME Multiface,CubaseSX3,Wavelab6

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Thanks for the tip!

Updated my first post with addition: Do it with Quadro bus instead of Quadro group !

(discussed different methods in other forums).

Aleksey, you could implement this information in the next manual for Crunchessor (only if you want :) )

It really works !!

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P4 2.8Ghz HT,WinXP SP2,2GB RAM,MatroxMilleniumG550,RME Multiface,CubaseSX3,Wavelab6

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Thanks, I'll surely add this explanation into the user's manual.

If anyone interested how to do it in Cubase SX3 :) :

(testet with Crunchessor1.6 und Cubase SX3.1.0.933)

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The following example will use a kick drum track to duck/compress a bass line track:

1) Define a new Quadro Group and in this group 2 child/sub-groups ("Stereo" and "Stereo (Rs Ls)").

2) Route Bass track directly to "Stereo" of the Quadro group.

3) Route Kick track directly (or with Pre-Fader Send (see below)) to "Stereo (Rs Ls)" of the Quadro group.

4) Insert crunchessor in an insert-slot of the Quadro group.

Start with the preset "Club is pumping" (or pull the Drive-knob to maximum)

in Crunchessor to see/hear the effect.

Choose a Side-Chain channel in crunchessor (in this case "SC: 3+4").

Leave the Crunchessor window open to see the effect via the gain reduction meter:

When the kick drum sets in, the bass track will be ducked/compressed according to the

compressor settings applied to the plug-in.

Routing with Pre-Fader Send:

Why this method ?

Of course you can route the kick track directly to the Quadro group,

but you won't hear the kick drum at the stereo output bus in this case.

a) Route a send-slot of the kick track to the Quadro group and activate this send-slot.

b) Set Pre-Fader switch to ON (the "at" symbol).

(This is necessary to retain the control over the volume slider for the kick track)

c) Set the Send-Amount slider to 0 (CTRL left click on the slider).

Happy Side-Chaining !

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P4 2.8Ghz HT,WinXP SP2,2GB RAM,MatroxMilleniumG550,RME Multiface,CubaseSX3,Wavelab6

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Thanks for the details!

While testing this Side-Chaining functionality in SX3, I've noticed that you don't have to "Force Side-Chain" on the Help screen anymore, like in older versions.

This is a great improvement, so now you can use Crunchessor also in Wavelab without to deactivate Side-Chaining in Cubase before.

Thanks very much.

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P4 2.8Ghz HT,WinXP SP2,2GB RAM,MatroxMilleniumG550,RME Multiface,CubaseSX3,Wavelab6

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