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Hi,

I'd like to use the excellent stereo widening functionality of Soniformer in multiple tracks and was wondering if it's possible to keep as much unused features as possible turned off somehow, like the compressor?

- bManic


Perhapse if you reset the Ratio to 1 and leave the threshold at the top...

Don't know if that will help.

Stereo widening multiple tracks is a pretty bad way to mix.  Sure, every track will sound okay on its own, but the final mixdown will go to mush.

Reverb is a better option for adding width to individual instruments, preferably on a send/aux track so you get a unified 'space'.


With compression disabled it can be probably twice as effective.  I will think about such feature.

CascadeHush: No, I'm using the stereo widening as an artistic tool, not as a mixing tool.  It's very nice to be able to control the width of Synth pads, leads etc. over the different frequencies.  Try it, you might be surprised!

Aleksey: Thanks!  Soniformer is the most used plugin I have and I've used the widening very successfully lately.  It's such a useful tool to have.  Have you ever considered coding an ultimate Stereo/Mid-side tool for mixing and mastering?  One that could work over a wide range of frequencies just like Soniformer.  If it could do Mid, Side and normal stereo operation all at the same time would be also pretty cool not to mention giving good big phase correlation meters etc. at the same time.

Cheers!

bManic


On the subject of stereo enhancement/widening...  Some may laugh, but I use the StereoTouch plugin (on tracks) all the time!  Of course, what it does is totally different from Soniformer (i.e. it is a type of delay).

I wonder if the StereoTouch plug could be enhanced somehow?  One idea I had was that it might be cool if it had a High Pass filter (i.e. just for the stereo enhancement signal).

But back to Soniformer - I appreciate and use it's widening during mastering, too.  I'm no pro, but I'm amazed at what I can get with *only* Soniformer and Elephant together.


bmanic: Sorry for my knee jerk reaction, I mistook you for a newbie...

wsc: I use Soniformer -> CurveEQ -> Elephant, but I must agree that Curve EQ is usually doing very little most of the time, it is Soniformer and Elephant that do the grunt work.

I do like the way Soniformer stereo width is adjustable accross the frequencies, I guess I would use that if it wasn't so CPU intensive.  I really can only run one instance.  Still, if I wanted to be creative and use it on a pad I would just freezed the track.

Anyway, the ability to disable the compressor has my vote too.


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Have you ever considered coding an ultimate Stereo/Mid-side tool for
mixing and mastering?  One that could work over a wide range of
frequencies just like Soniformer.  If it could do Mid, Side and normal stereo
operation all at the same time would be also pretty cool not to mention
giving good big phase correlation meters etc. at the same time.
Sound like you mean something like iZotope Ozone.


I've tried ozone yes but don't really like anything except their dither and the limiter.  Well, the EQ is quite nice too there but nothing fancy.  As for the stereo widening part it's horrible IMO.  The metering is of course very good too but I'd rather see a plugin be just specialised on stereo/mid-side image prosessing.  Like a super-waves-S1 ;) but from voxengo with higher audio fidelity.

I guess you'd need some kind of tabbed interface, which is, just like running multiple Soniformers, only on the one plugin.  It's not a bad idea.

I havn't tried running 2 Soniformers (Well I did but it overpowered my CPU) but I have done Mid and Side processing with CurveEQ.  Maybe I should try Mid/Side processing with Soniformer... is that what you are doing?

I think your basic idea is okay, but personally I prefer smaller plugins and the ability to chain them in whichever order I like.  That is part of the reason I went with Voxengo instead of Ozone, because even though Ozone lets you change the order, you can't run, say, 2 EQs unless you run 2 instances of Ozone.

I have run 3 CurveEQs in series with no problem.  I have the flexability. (1 was for Side, 1 for mid, and 1 for Gear/Saturation)

What would be better, perhapse, is some kind of master plugin shell/chainer that could be used to host other plugins.  The Shell would split the incoming signal into Mid and Side signals, and you could then load whichever plugins you like to process each signal.  The plugin would then re-combine the signal at the other end.  Perhapse such a plugin could have it's own Spectrum Analyzer a bit like inspector, but also with a stereo phase meter (whatever they are called).  The single 'master' plugin could have tabs for the plugins you choose to load, the GUIs for the plugins would be displayed inside the Shell gui (a bit like in Audition with it's tabbed plugins interface).  And of course you could save setups which would include the settings for all the plugins hosted in the Shell.

In otherwords, you could build you own Ozone.

mmmm...  I've got a copy of Delphi around here somewhere...


That 'FX rack' has been sounded on this forums already if I remember correctly.  However I should say that this is slightly out of my plans right now - it will also require to build a stable VST host which is a tough task if you ask me.
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