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Let me just say that I've heard a TON of great props for Voxengo products - I'm sniffing around these forums because I'm considering a purchase.

I can tell you that the Har-Bal is just a fantastic tool.  Used together with maybe the Rhino and a PSP Vintage Warmer, you can create a fantastic master for any track you can create.


I've tried the HarBal demo and I wasn't overly impressed.  I'd rather have a real-time display of the frequency output, otherwise you really have no idea of what you're really "taming".

The new version of Har-Bal does allow batch processing.

Hi,

Just read this thread.  I too, have heard so many good things about Voxengo that it's time to start sniffing around...

So, big question for me (pardon my ignorance if this is covered in the literature) is FFT size or special techniqes for improving the resolution of CEQ vs.  Har-Bal.

AFAIK, H-B uses an 8192pt FFT.  I don't know about any other 'tricks' except for this equal level thing (which I don't care much about anyway).

Anyway, just curious...

Thanks.  I'm going to demo some of these plugs now...

Dave.


Oops.  Just saw the other thread about resolution.  I guess it's 2048pt.  Gotta remember that CEQ is a plug-in...

Regards,

Dave.


Yes, it uses 2048 point filter.  Please bear in mind this does not show how 'good' filter is.  Filter length affects frequency-domain precision only.  For example, with shorter filter you cannot create a precise dip or notch in the lower frequency range.  But this has nothing to do with the sound quality directly.

i have both harbal and almost all of the voxengo plugs including ceq.  I find voxengo extremely useful and good sounding plugs. my mastering attemps took a quantum leap after buying ceq and sonic finalizer.

harbal has it's use to show you the track as a whole and where it may be un balanced freq wise. one thing i am not fond of is the fact that i must use 24 bit instead of 32 for harbal.  If i use 32 bit it will not open in wavelab after eqing with harbal.  It is a glitch they are aware of.  Aleksey Vaneev wrote:

Yes, it uses 2048 point filter.  Please bear in mind this does
not show how 'good' filter is.  Filter length affects
frequency-domain precision only.  For example, with shorter
filter you cannot create a precise dip or notch in the lower
frequency range.  But this has nothing to do with the sound
> quality directly.


harbal has it's use to show you the track as a whole and where it may be un balanced freq wise. one thing i am not fond of is the fact that i must use 24 bit instead of 32 for harbal.  If i use 32 bit it will not open in wavelab after eqing with harbal.

This is a known issue in the LIBSNDFILE library that is to do with the ambiguity of some WAV file formats.  In particular floating point formats.  Basically what happens is that HarBal reads in your 24 bit float format and reports a bit depth of 32 bits (which is not the real bit depth).  When it creates a compatible file format it ends up creating a 32 bit PCM file.  You can avoid this problem by either using a 24 bit PCM (integer) format or a Type 3 24 bit float format.


Looking around for something to compare to HarBal, as a mastering tool, I tried iZotope Ozone and some Voxengo plugins... to cut a long story short, I ended up with Soniformer, CurveEQ and Elephant. (That was a week or so ago and this is my first post)

So now I use Soniformer first, then Curve EQ and finally Elephant and I can get a basic setup in about the same time it would take to use balance things in HarBal.

Of course Elephant is not a volume matcher, but at least it keeps a lid on things if you go too crazy...

And Soniformer is not an EQ, but it tames things down a bit so that EQing ends up a very subtle process.

Anyway, when I am finished, I load the result into HarBal (Demo), and inevitably I have a pretty flat responce according to HarBal, which is what their instructions say I should have, so by this measure the program offers me nothing (except an extra sanity check on my mastering, for free since I am only using the analysis display)

I thought that Soniformer.  CurveEQ and Elephant offered a nice price compromise, seemed more friendly to me and my computer than Ozone, and work as a plugin which HarBal doesn't.


Thanks for sharing with your experience!
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