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Date: Jan 22, 2008, 8:35am, edited 2 time(s), last modified on Jan 22, 2008, 5:39am
A stereo imaging plug-in similar to Logic's "Stereo Spread" plug.
I did a bunch of research on it a while back as I attempted to recreate it using Pluggo. I got close (with a usable alternating sounding effect) but my math/programming skills fell short.
Stereo Spread uses a very simple concept. You have two equalizers, one for left, one for right, and they are exact opposites of eachother. In other words, if you boost 3db at 6k on the right, you will cut 3db at 6k on the left. It is this channel-dependent equalization that gives you the specialization. There was a hardware box that used to do this years ago, and the added benefit is that everything is 100% mono-compatible. I've gotten this far with pluggo and it sounds nice, though of note is the plug is very dependent upon what kinds of filters you use. Logic's plug goes a step further however, and for me it makes all the difference. You have a display with sliders underneath for frequency selection, and a knob for "poles". If you choose 6 poles, the algorithm makes 6 evenly spaced poles within your frequency selection, or 5, or 12, etc. The neat thing about this is that you can have very narrow bandwidth with increased spatialization, and playing with the poles makes a big difference.
Anyhow, thanks for listening Aleksey. Sorry for the long e-mail.
I hope I can convince you to make this!!!
It is a unique effect and there is no-one that I know of besides Logic that makes it.
Please let me know if you'd like more details about the plug/algorithm.
Ben
ben @ meisderu.com
Date: Jan 22, 2008, 8:36am
oh, and I'm on a mac - vst.
;)
Date: Jan 23, 2008, 1:01pm
Thanks for the request. So, this is something like a frequency panner?
BTW, why would you need narrow filters for such panning? Won't it sound too edgy?
Date: Jan 23, 2008, 9:20pm, edited 2 time(s), last modified on Jan 23, 2008, 6:23pm
Yes, essentially it is a frequency panner, though the way Logic's works is by automatically mapping the frequency poles equally over your selected frequency range. You don't have any control over where exactly the poles go, and the amount of gain/cut is always fixed. The control you do have is selecting your range and the number of poles (spikes and cuts). It is a unique sound that I like very much.
(The filters themselves don't have to be narrow, although as your freq range is compressed so would the bandwidth. Through some experimentation I think they're using butterworth, and from what I found the filter type changes the sound greatly)
Do you think this is at all likely for you?
Ben
Date: Jan 24, 2008, 2:07pm
I can't guarantee I'll implement such FX after all, but I'll think about it. Thanks for the details.
Date: Jan 26, 2008, 3:00am
Thank you
Date: Apr 27, 2008, 10:46am
Meantime you can also try waves Q10 /lots of pseudostereo fx presets/ or cheaper PSP stereo pack /pseudostereo or stereoenhancer plugins-based on comb filtering/.
Date: Apr 28, 2008, 1:20am
I have an two channel guitar... hmmm... is it stereo? there might be a little something there. 11:00pm semi full roadhouse, good times... when I get this rig set up for recording the two channel is a MONSTER ! :) the frequency match up 'left , right' when I get it close,, 1. my system crashes 2. the volume go way up! I keep trying... LMF not much stereo help. Mid an upper with added resonance gets the green light from my phase correlation meter. Aleksey's... Overtone EQ, Varisatuator I get more true stereo. might take a reverse enginnering look an send a cool pair of sunglasses his way. John J Krupinski
Date: Apr 28, 2008, 8:08pm
fiberlight, what means 'my system crashes'? Is it related to Voxengo plug-ins, a crash report?
Date: Apr 29, 2008, 4:52am
..... The system crash is not related to Voxengo plug-ins anyway shape or form.... my music hobby limits me to a laptop with pentium processers... I do push there limit an cause an overclock condition... reslut is a system crash.. I'm currently saveing my lunch money to upgrade my system. :) an overclocker buddy of mine suggest I get a 15in x 15in slab of marble put it in the frezzer then when it's good an cold set it under my laptop so the air draw up thru the cooling fans keep the processers cooler then my recording time can be extended. John J Krupinski
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